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Problems

PostPosted:Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:11 am
by Claudius
1 How can I import email to openKM - I have emailboxes eg mbox, pst.. or .eml?

2 I need a unique document number on each document - openKM has some useless UUID that is too long to type or read.

3 I uploaded a document and then added a category to it - then I deleted the document and the strangely, the document was still visible in the categories tab even though it had bee deleted, as if by adding a category to a document a copy of the document had been made. This is not what I expect from a database.

4 I uploaded about a thousand files in one directory and found OpenKM to be too slow to use and kept seeing "stop script messages". Even deleting the directory was a problem. It seems openKM cannot handle large databases.

If there was a front end to openKM that did not go through the network but was running on the host I imagine this would solve the speed problem.

I was enthusiastic initially with openKM but it seems that it does not really work as a database for documents - I need document numbers, a field where I can enter the source of the document, and way to handle emails with their attachments.

I have about a 1TB of documents and can't use something that runs slow.

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:46 pm
by jllort
I will start answering from the last question, 1Tera = 1 milion documents community version is nor prepared to hold it you need openkm profesional optimized version ( which this among of files should be parametrized depending your casuisthic).

1- to import mails hould connect directly to your actual mail store -> normally should be imap sever or import from outlook client.
2- for it you should create metadata field that can be automatically set ( autoincremental or other logic ) after the document is uploaded ( it's easy with automation feature ).
3- document is in trash, not yet deleted ( empty trash and document will disappear ).
4- you're doing things wrong, you should not store that among of files under same node it's a bad practice and a bad taxonomy. Anyway you should enable pagination that will solve it ( only available with professional version ).

About to store extra information you should register metadata. Take a look here http://wiki.openkm.com/index.php/Property_Groups and http://wiki.openkm.com/index.php/Proper ... definition

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:19 pm
by Claudius
1. I do not use Outlook I use Thunderbird. In any case openKM does not support a current version of outlook (2010), so it would be difficult to find and old version and get to actually work on a new OS (not that it ever worked properly - that's why I am using something else).

Now I have mailboxes from several people and for each person there are several chronological or partial backups. I use software to search through .pst files and then I merge the pst file into a larger one. I can export this pst to other formats like mbox, or eml, or html, but openKM needs a IMAP server which I don't have, or for me to open pst file in an old version of Outlook and somehow select and drag thousands of files. I can't see this working. Also I imagine that a IMAP server would have a user account and import emails for that user instead of the original email user. Just like when I uploaded files into openKM and it listed me as the author of all the all the imported documents when I am not the author of the documents, just the person who uploaded them.


2 Have not located any documentation for doing this.

3 This worked - thanks.

4 I don't have a price for the pro version as this "on request". I imagine that pagination will prevent the stalling when updating large directories. I am "not doing things wrong" but only uploaded a bunch of files to a "node". The number of files is not determined by me. I did not think of creating arbitrary nodes based on an undocumented limitation.

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:32 pm
by jllort
- Addins-Pro support office until version 2010 ( I have still not get time to rebuild community addins ). Import pst files ( or .eml ) is possible but should be implemented.

- Take a look here : http://wiki.openkm.com/index.php/Automation and ( using scripting -> you can execute any logic accesing openkm api ). It needs some time to know openkm architecture http://wiki.openkm.com/index.php/Developer_Guide I suggest for example take a look here that can give you some ideas http://wiki.openkm.com/index.php/Cronta ... h_metadata

- About last point is a bad practice store a lot of documents under same node ( it means is not good organized, not granular ), can be done yes, but not the best option.

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:32 am
by Claudius
I need automatically generated document number like Atrove
http://www.atrove.com/ but also the search within document capability that openKM has.

Realistically document numbering is a vital part of any database and must be implemented at a core level.

As far as document my management is concerned I must be able to find documents and identify a document unambiguously.

Only a numbering system can do that. Other advantages can be assigning ELM0001 ... to emails of xxx0001 to documents from the source xxx.

I also find it weird that the properties tab display a UUID that is note copyable (I can't cut and paste it).

The UUID is only of interest to the developer.

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:24 pm
by jllort
I do not want to start a large discussion about some DMS aspects etc... but UUID has other benefits than integration with thirdparty apps ( ERP ) and interact with documents stored in openkm by UUID.

OpenKM is a complete DMS and needs some time to understand what you got in your hands.

I create a complete example here http://wiki.openkm.com/index.php/Increm ... utonumeric that you can take as a basis and make the changes to adapt as your needs. If you want to take advantage with openkm in deep I suggest you take a look at our api classes http://doxygen.openkm.com/6.2.x and developer guide http://wiki.openkm.com/index.php/Developer_Guide

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:10 am
by Claudius
Thank you jllort for the code. It worked and I do have auto document numbers now.

However, although I am sure that following your advice and learning how to configure openKM would benefit me and I do have some qualifications in programming (electrical electronic engineering deg), unfortunately I don't have the time to do this. I am swamped by a legal case and need to organize my circa 200,000 documents. I though it would be an easy matter to find software to do this but this has not been the case. So far I found openKM is the best system but I need two more fields in order use it. These must be filled in automatically when I bulk import via zip.

A SOURCE field: this is the origin of the document - eg it could be from a material given me as a Hard disk eg HD1, HD2.. or CD1, CD2, or hard copy Bundle1 Bundle 2.
This should be a drop down list, but obviously if I do a bulk import (eg HD1) this field must filled automatically as sourced from HD1.

A DATE field that contains the document creation date as stamped on the file system. Also to be automatically filled in.

Then I would be able to search documents by date or contents and be able to tell where the document originated.

A further problem would be how to import emails and preserve the creation date of the email.

I am willing to engage someone and pay for the service - I don't know how to proceed with this. Hopefully you are interested.

I know there are others who looked at the date field entry on this forum.

my skype ID is claudfer

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:32 pm
by jllort
- You can contact with us using our contact form http://www.openkm.com/en/contact.html
- Anyway for what you need simply should be enabled PropertyGroups ( I suggest read with care all contents and links into this wiki page http://wiki.openkm.com/index.php/Property_Groups ) and enable in profiles the property group at wizard section, then each time new document is uploaded automatically user will be inquired to fill a form based in property group ( metadata which can be used as search fields at search view ).

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:50 pm
by rbahntje
I have Property Groups enableds (I can apply them from the menu) and I have set the Wizard in the user profile, but when I upload a document nothing happens, I must apply the Property Group aflter the upload.

I am missing something?

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:39 pm
by michaeled
In the profil, in admin, You must select the propertygroup you want, then for the user with this profil, the propertygroup will be asked when upload

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:43 pm
by rbahntje
I ve selected the Property Group in the Wizard section, but nothing happens when I upload a document with this user (I ve applied the setting in the default profile)

Re: Problems

PostPosted:Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:34 pm
by jllort
do you have some automation task enabled, because when automation is enabled wizard defined in profiles are disabled automatically ( wizard could be in colision with automation logic and all wizard cases can be implemented from automation view, that's the idea ).